Wednesday, February 16, 2005

Goodbye Gaza!

Well, today marks a historic and momentous occasion in Israeli history. The Knesset finally agreed to pull out of Gaza, a place that has caused Israel and the world too much trouble in the past 60 years. The vote was pretty definite. The law was approved in a 59-40 vote with five abstentions. The opponents included 17 Likud MKs. The law is finally through.

The settlers aren't going to be left completely in the dust though. There is 3.8 billion shekels available (averaging 934,000 shekels per family) to all the 9,000 currently in the Gaza strip. The plan includes an extra $30,000 for families that move to the Negev, Galile, or a new yeshuv near Ashqelon. This will finally eliminate all Jewish presence in the Gaza strip.

The process, although nearly completely irreversable, can still go all wrong. A referrendum stopping the action is one option (though, knowing what I know about most Israelis, a referrendum would work against the settlers), and the toppling of Sharon's government is another option. If Sharon does not pass his budget in March, then he could lose it all and have new elections, which will at least slow withdrawal, and may stop it all together. Let's hope for the best (that it keeps going).

I know a lot of people want to keep the Gaza strip because it's part of the land of Israel, but let's not kid ourselves here, we can't keep the Gaza strip and our security. Also, I was thinking about this earlier, if the boarders of Israel are changable according to HaShem's will, then can't he shrink the boarders of Israel? Just curious.

Regardless of that argument, Gaza has caused us nothing but trouble. It's time we got rid of it, give it to the Palestinians and let them try to make a country out of it. If they do make a proper country, then it's not a bad neighbour to have. It provides a very large work force that's looking for jobs. If Israeli companies can work together with Palestinian companies, a lot of good can come out of the region. I don't know if that will fly with the other Muslim nations, but maybe it's time for them to end their dated boycott on Israel.

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Blogger BrownsvilleGirl said...

HaShem can change the boundries of Israel? Where's that from? Just curious...

Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:54:00 PM  


Anonymous Anonymous said...

The issue of Gaza and Palestine is not about HaShem changing the boundaries of Israel, but about Israel protecting its boundaries from attack. I agree with you that holding on to Gaza might be a dangerous and unwise thing to do that would provoke even more attacks, however for how much longer will Israel have to keep searing off parts of its land just to appease its enemies? Will Gaza be enough? Isn't the construction of defensible borders for a country hardly longer than 11 miles also an important objective? If I had just one clue, or one inkling of evidence that Gaza would be enough for the Palestinians, I would say take it, take it all and Israel should not look back. However, in all of the negotiations (Camp David Accords, Oslo, etc) between Israel and Palestine, no amount of land has ever been enough. Even when Israel has thrown land in their face, it was thrown right back with nothing but hostility. I also want peace but appeasement with land is a foreign policy that has never worked for any nation in the world during any time of war and struggle, and I don't think that it will work this time.

Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:58:00 PM  


Blogger elder punk of zion said...

i hate to break it to you, but when was the last time egypt declared war on israel since camp david?!? (appeasement at work)

now that im finished bashing the right wing, heres my love for the left...

"this will finally eliminate all jewish presence in the gaza strip" - woohoo!! judenrein at last!!

tel aviv has given us nothing but prostitution and ecstasy, lets give it back too!

what makes you think that a palestinian state in gaza even has a chance?!? For christ sakes, hamas won 70% of the municipal elections. one more dysfunctional terrorist state in the middle east!!

Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:38:00 PM  


Blogger The Nucular Jew said...

As for Judenraat in Gaza, I'm not too upset that it's going through. I'd rather have Jews alive on our side then in danger on their side.

As for Tel Aviv, the idea that it's only given prostitution (I'd prefer to say Eilat) and E is just ignorant. Go look at how many businesses opperate in Tel Aviv, and how much tourism it attracts, then come back to me.

As for Hamas winning 70% of municipal elections, that's totally cool with me. Don't forget, Hamas is a very powerful organization that sets up schools (with more than questionable education) and hospitals. If they become a political party (which they have), they could be very powerful. Not to say I'd like to see a rise in Hamas guys, but if all goes well, we won't need to worry about terrorists from Hamas, just politicians

Friday, February 18, 2005 2:37:00 AM  


Blogger D.B. Cooper said...

Brandon, just when I thought your naïveté reached insurmountable limits, you’ve proven to me once again that ignorance knows no bounds. My response vis-à-vis your thoroughly Ashkenazi outlook on the Gaza withdrawal (read: surrender) is still pending, but you can expect it to be fuming and pointed.

Moishele, I must mention that Israel’s peace with Egypt – as tenuous as it may be – was only achieved after G-d’s army (the IDF) handed Egypt three major military defeats. It can be taken for granted that the Egyptian government would never have considered coming to the negotiating table with the Zionist Entity had it not been for their repeated battlefield humiliations. Also, let us not forget the disastrous affects of the 1938 Munich Agreement, when Neville “Peace for our Time” Chamberlain effectively surrendered the Sudetenland to Adolph Hitler. The truth is that, as Rika pointed out, a scrutinizing examination of history will confirm that genuine appeasement, à la Chamberlain, has never produced any tangible peace. Peace was only achieved in Europe after the allies defeated the Nazis. Peace was only achieved in Asia following Truman’s decision to drop the Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In fact, the only scenarios where peace efforts were fruitful was when it was clear that once side was the victor and the other side was the vanquished. This often occurs in the context of a war. So maybe we should give war a chance!

Friday, February 18, 2005 11:10:00 AM  


Blogger BrownsvilleGirl said...

I'm with Rika and Coops the nut. My first reaction to all your responses was that appeasment does diddlysquat. And that from a former diplomat! I do see the sense in pulling out of Gaza to allow the Palestinians a chance at building up an autonomy and independent economy because self-respecting nations have no need for nonsense (Hitler's power was fed by the German economy, situations in the middle east are bred from corrupt dictatorships), but of course there is no guaranteeing that they will follow my indealistic view of the way the world works (or rather, should).
I am sad that we're leaving Gaza...

Friday, February 18, 2005 12:22:00 PM  


Blogger The Nucular Jew said...

First of all, appeasement in Europe before WWII was a completely different situation. Where Germany was operating from a position of military strength, Palestine is not. Don't forget the 1930s, and the fact that Nazi Germany was a dictatorship, something Palestine currently isn't.

Look, I would love to keep Gaza, because it's important that Jews get as much land as possible. We don't have a big country, and it's tough to give away even one square acre. But think about it, you're not dealing with a minority insurgance, you're dealing with 1.3 million Palestinians v. 9,000 Jews. Avraham Burg, an MK, told me a very good analogy. Here it is:

There are three Falafels, one is democracy, one is the Gaza & West Bank, and one is an autonomous Jewish state. You go to the Falafel stand and ask for a Falafel in pita and they stuff it with lettuce and humus and Israeli salad, but in the end, there's only room for two falafels. Such is our situation, we can only have two of the Falafels, and I will gladly give away the Gaza and parts of the West Bank for an autonomous Jewish state that is democratic.

Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:52:00 AM  

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