Tuesday, July 05, 2005

Orange v. Blue

So for those of you who I've had the pleasure of talking to about the disengagement, you all know that I was on the "blue side" of everything. I thought that we should give away the Gaza settlements because it would be good for Israel, and then we'd have peace, and everything would be laddy da. But i was thinking about it the other day, rather, the past couple of weeks, and I'm really stressed over the whole thing. I realized first that on August 15th (the day after Tisha b'Av), we're giving away part of Israel. Forget about the Torah, forget about the Palestinians, we're running away. We are willfully uprooting our brothers and sisters, but for what? The great good of Israel? Better security? Peace?

As for the greater good of Israel, security is always going to be an issue. Whether it's on the boarder of Gush Katif, or the boarder of Israel, they are goign to fire kassam rockets at us wherever we are. Those 30,000 soldiers that are defending the settlements, now they're be on the boarder. I feel like not too much will change there, so why are leaving? On that note, are we doing this for the Israeli people? Why don't we do this for the 9,000 settlers who put their lives on the line since the 1970s (under a Labour government) to settle for the "greater good of Israel." Lastly, on this note, what positive things are we getting our of this? Nothing that I can see.

Don't get me wrong though, if Abbas showed control over his people and signed a peace treaty, I'd give away the Gaza settlements in a second, but that's not what's happening. And that's what I realized in my argument. I used to say we're doing it for peace, but we're not. We're giving it away for a maybe, for a possibility. Everyone, on both sides of this argument, say that this is a key moment in history, this is the window we've been waiting for since independance, and we may not get this window for another 100 years. So, think about it, and the past, and the peace that we used to have, and I realized that if this peace does fail, we've lost Gaza forever.

This was really sloppily put together, and my thoughts are still all over the place, but something inside me is telling me that this pullout is wrong. What I can say is what Randi titled his post earlier.

Yehudi Lo Megaresh Yehudi

-The Punk of HM Treasurey/Fraternities

8 Shpeils

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Blogger BrownsvilleGirl said...

First Steve changed his facebook picture to an orange bumper sticker that says, "yehudi lo migaresh yehudi," claiming that he just likes the message. Now you've publicly written about turning around. Kudos, babe.

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:25:00 AM  

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Anonymous mir said...

welcome, nukes

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:50:00 AM  

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Blogger Mesiach said...

first of all....Nukes you have left to the dark side...Not really...there is more to disengagement than we all think...A whole history of Israel is about to die...Everyone knows how i feel about jews fighting jews....IM AGAINST IT....thats why my face book pic says that...However disengagment is pulling away people from a territory that is non-stop fighting..everyday we are losing more and more people in Eretz Israel.....Sure i Dream of a day when all of Historic Israel is back in the hands of the original people when i can live in Gaza Hebron or tel aviv and still call myself Israeli, however, this partionalsim (i think thats how you spell it) is killing the one thing that can keep us together, our commoness to live in our land...The reason why im 100% pro-disengagment is not becuase i want to see brothers and sisters cry but because i want to see Eretz Israel in a secure sitatuation...Maybe its too Idealistic to hope for peace with surronding nations so that our families in Israel can live in peace, like each and everyone of you who live in DIASPORA... ITS EASY FOR DIASPORA JEWS TO DECIDE THE FATE OF ISRAEL.... forget saying i love hebron forget saying i love gush katif start saying I LOVE ERETZ ISRAEL...JULY 20th WIll be a very sad day...but dont make it a day that divides Jews..

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 2:53:00 PM  

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Anonymous Y.D. Naridaga said...

i thought the official color of the pro-disengagement camp was green, not blue. no?

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:13:00 PM  

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Blogger The Nucular Jew said...

Green? That's a random colour. all the Israelis at my camp say blue is the other side, so I figured i'd go with that.

I'm getting a Gush Katif shirt from one Israeli, and an orange wrist band from another. I'm in my whole kit, and I'll be wearing them both on August 15th... even though Steve said July, I'm pretty sure it's August.

Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:53:00 PM  

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Anonymous David said...

Hi yall. Started reading your site recently. Hilarious name and explanation of it.
I had basically the same feelings as 'The Punk of HM Treasurey/Fraternities'.
I origanally had supported the idea of giving away Gush Katif cuz of all the downsides of protecting it (expensive in soldiers lives and money)even though I of course would have wanted to be able to keep it. So when I heard about the disengagement plan, I was all for it. Probaly cuz I assumed that there was some sort of deal going on, that we were getting something for our HUGE concession. cuz only a fool would give the enemy something for nothing right?
Sadly though when I looked into it I saw that it was a 'unilateral' move. Meaning that we weren't getting anything from Palestinians.
And then I thought it must be for the American promises of Bush that we are doing it. again cuz there must be something that we were gaining from it, right. But apperently we aren't getting much from the Americans (if anything) either. And it's not like they even asked us to do this, we volunteered. What is up with that? So what is Sharon's logic? I have no idea. I've heard this theory (don't know how believeable it is but it's all I've heard) that the reason Sharon decided to make the disengagement plan (and reverse his life's work) is cuz at the time he was afraid of the left's accusations cuz he allegedly did something illegal. So now there's this plan and the left now loves him (not really) and supports him. I dont know if that makes too much sense but w/e. Another idea I've heard is that he's worried about his legacy. But that doesn't make too much sense either.
Yall feel free to comment on anything I said.

Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:44:00 PM  

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Blogger BrownsvilleGirl said...

Steve asks me why I haven't yet responded to his comment every time I speak to him, so here's what I have to say:
Steve, you said, "The reason why I'm 100% pro-disengagment is not because I want to see brothers and sisters cry, but because I want to see Eretz Yisrael in a secure situation."
I hear you. However, I agree with what Nukes said about, "Whether it's on the boarder of Gush Katif or the boarder of Israel, they are going to fire kassam rockets at us wherever we are. Those 30,000 soldiers that are defending the settlements, now they'll be on the boarder."
That there done say everything I would.

Sorry, but I'm just not pro-disengagement now.

Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:39:00 PM  

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Blogger BrownsvilleGirl said...

And welcome David! Enjoy...

Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:56:00 AM  

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