Monday, January 03, 2005

There's Hope For Peace!

Look closely at the tie Egyptian President Anwar Sadat (seated on the left) was wearing when he addressed the Israeli Knesset for the first time on November 20, 1977.
Credit to Randy for pointing this out because it's so...so...oh dear...

And to think, even when we do make peace with neighboring Arab countries what they're thinking...
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Anonymous Anonymous said...

isnt that dean escott?

Monday, January 03, 2005 6:57:00 PM  

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Blogger BrownsvilleGirl said...

Dean Escoci?

Hrm...might be...

Monday, January 03, 2005 7:32:00 PM  

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Blogger elder punk of zion said...

Begin is my favorite jewish terrorist of all-time!!
so what that with sadat's yarmulke??

Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:18:00 AM  

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oy!

Jewish terrorist? Did he attack many civilians?

Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:49:00 PM  

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oops, that was me. Forgot to sign it.

It's interesting that Brownsvillegirl felt obligated to mention who is Sadat in the photo. I must be getting very old.

TM

Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:53:00 PM  

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Blogger elder punk of zion said...

TM

yes he did
the irgun (which Begin was the head of) rolled barrel bombs into crowded arab market places killing hundreds of people in the pre-state era. this is aside from the king david hotel bombing. of course unlike the arabs the irgun often called in warnings before the attacks. you should read "terror out of zion" by an author named Bell (cant remember his first name).

Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:09:00 PM  

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know, Begin never accepted that his organization, the Irgun (short for Irgun Tzvai Leumi) had anything to do with terror. He believed they were soldiers fighting the British army. It's true that members of the Irgun blew up two Arab markets and tried to blow up a third. They did it out of retaliation for deadly attacks on Jews (don't forget there was a 3 year Arab uprising in the late '30s). However, although I would definitely classify those attacks as terrorism, Begin wasn't living in Israel yet. He was still in Poland and had nothing to do with the Irgun's activities in Israel. He only took over in 1943 after coming over from Poland.

The King David Hotel bombing is not something I condone, but I'm not sure it qualifies as terror since the section of the building that was attacked was the British military HQ in Jerusalem. As far as I'm concerned, attacks on soldiers are legitimate - I include Palestinian attacks on soldiers - and that's what this bombing was. The Irgun had also placed three warning telephone calls to the building and to the British. They did not heed them.

Most of the actions taken by the Irgun after Begin took over involved attacking British facilities, soldiers and policemen, not Arabs. Of course, this changes in 1947, but by then it was understood by all that there was going to be a fight and a war between Arabs and Jews.

I have some difficulty calling Begin a terrorist, much as I dislike many actions he took. There's a big difference between purposely targeting a bus full of civilians, or soldiers protecting a building used for intelligence collection.

TM

Friday, January 07, 2005 3:07:00 AM  

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Blogger elder punk of zion said...

I have nothing against the actions Begin took at all.
Going against what is today taboo, i condone terrorism if it serves my purposes and that of the greater good aka zionism.
Begin knew full and well regarding the post-WWII activities of the organization. Yes it was a war, and he had to take effective action which meant rolling barrel bombs into crowded arab markets.

Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:29:00 AM  

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

But my point is that he didn't roll bombs into markets and neither did his colleagues after he took over the Irgun. The great majority of their actions involved attacking the British military.

I would also ask you to consider carefully whether you really do wish to accept terrorism as a form of warfare, even for Zionist goals. Attacking innocent civilians brutally not only damages those attacked, it severely damages the attackers. In my opinion, Palestinian society today has a sick death and terror fetish that prevents them from building a normal and decent society. This is, without a doubt, a result of the manner in which they've decided to fight against Israel.

Sunday, January 09, 2005 1:49:00 AM  

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