Friday, August 19, 2005

David Furst/AFP -- Getty Images

NYTimes Caption: An Israeli soldier and his sister, a settler in Neve Dekalim, comfort each other near a synagogue.
This has to be one of the most emotionally strong pictures I've seen.

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Anonymous Al Mujahid for debauchery said...

I personally dont have an iota of sympathy for the settlers.
However it must be said that there is something inherently wrong in making Gaza a Jew free zone.
I think the settlements from Gaza and West Bank need to go but that does not mean that the West Bank and Gaza should be Jew free zones.
Jews should have the ability to live in both the West Bank and Gaza. Any future permanent settlement with the Palestinians should include a concession by which the Jews would be allowed to immigrate and live in West Bank and Gaza under Palestinian law.

Friday, August 19, 2005 7:50:00 PM  

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Blogger David XIV said...

Nice pic. I do have an "iota of sympathy" for the settlers. More than an iota actually. I feel sympathetic to ppl who are evicted from their homes and have their dreams and ideals crushed. Whether the disengagement is the right thing or not. I don't know where I stand there. See my comment (under the name david, I just created this name of David XVI) in the post "Wow" 2 posts ago. I await comments if y'all ever get the time. (I can see y'all were pretty busy commenting in the "Did That Make You Feel Any Better?" post. btw I found those posts very interesting and educational. Thanks y'all.)

Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:14:00 AM  

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Anonymous brown eyed girl said...

Two jews, three opinions. While we might love to argue about anything, we're not ignorant on what we argue about. :-)

Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:39:00 PM  

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Anonymous Al Mujahid for debauchery said...

"I feel sympathetic to ppl who are evicted from their homes and have their dreams and ideals crushed".

So now you know how the Palestinians felt/still feeling and will continue to feel as the settlements continue on the West Bank.

A clarification on the 'iota of sympathy or the lack of it' :
I dont have sympathy for the secular settlers who went to live there because they were getting breaks on their mortgages.
I do feel sympathy for the religious settlers who hold a genuine belief that God himself wanted Jews to live in Gaza.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:29:00 PM  

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Anonymous Al Mujahid for debauchery said...

"as the settlements continue on the West Bank"
should read
"as the settlements continue to EXPAND on the West Bank"

Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:31:00 PM  

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Anonymous brown eyed girl said...

"'I feel sympathetic to ppl who are evicted from their homes and have their dreams and ideals crushed.'

So now you know how the Palestinians felt/still feeling and will continue to feel as the settlements continue on the West Bank."

the palistineans were never uprooted from their homes. actually during world war II, they were told to leave their homes, and when the world was "rid of the jews," they could come back, and have all of their land and their possesions. also, the palistineans went to jordan, syria, and i believe lebonnon. do you know what happened to them there? mast genocide, by their own people. by muslin arabs.

the palistineans were not uprooted in the west bank or gaza, only jews were, to give it away for peace, which, we will probably not get. gaza was a wasteland, Israel offered to give it back to Eygpt, they didn't want it. you're right that the palistineans had the west bank. they had it when they controlled jerusalem. you know what they did to jerusalem when they had it? they distroyed holy jewish sites, and used the graveyards as public latrines. not to mention, they didn't let jews has access to their holy sites.

now, let me ask you, whenever the jews, israelis have had control of a holy site not belonging to them, like a church or a mosque, or even graveyeards, have you ever heard them of treating it with such disrespect. no, because they know better. they aren't selffish, and disgusting. jerusalem is a jewish city, in a jewish state.

before you start on, "oh it's holy for muslims too, it's one of the holy cities." it's not mecca or medina (which are two of the three holy cities for muslims, the third and last is jerusalem). jerusalem is to the jews, what mecca is to muslims. however, we have still let muslims go to and fro as they please, maybe with a bit of security, but the point is, they can go. when the palistineans had jerusalem, jews were not allowed in, at all.

how do you think the muslims would feel if one day they were told they were not allowed in meccaor medina. even the non observant ones. they had to uproot themselves and move elsewhere. or even told they had to move out of saudia arabia, because it was no longer their land, it was being given away to christians or something.

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:14:00 PM  

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